back to 2005 Re: [-empyre-] In the year 2525 - Using the web archives

[steve guynup <exposedfield@yahoo.com>]

Hello Paul,

>From a creation of works perspective...

Earlier I'd posted a question about using the archives
of others...a picking of pieces web3D from the past
ten years and compiling them into something useful in
regards to the design of virtual space (aka Tufte's
Info or McCloud's Comics)

I suppose across academic front, the desire would be
much the same. Take something old, make it something
new.

So then - is the following true? these digital
archives will be used in ways outside of how they've
been organized. If users typically seek to create
something new with the information then isn't this (at
least in part) true? So structuring this data may be
difficult, but the end goal is to share the
information remains.

I guess then that the level of sharing becomes
important.  (and back to my earlier question) Can I
cut and paste the work taken from archival sites if
properly cited. Must I get permission? Honestly - I'm
asking now cause I have work to do. In the digital
commons I kind of hope for more freedom, but I suspect
that I'll have hoops to jump. Course if they are like
the Blake Archives - well the answer is no, never for
nobody.

So much for the Digital Commons...

As for the value of this text. Well, anything I
thought valuable (of mine) has been rewritten and
published. Perhaps the only direct use would be if had
to justify pulling a Krueger at the next Hip Hype and
Hope panel;)

In terms of the words of others, I suppose I prefer to
do most of searches through the peer reviewed academic
journals.

peace
Steve G 




--- Paul Koerbin <pkoerbin@nla.gov.au> wrote:

> Well folks, despite the fact that our impulses are
> apparently absurd and
> that we are doomed upon this mortal coil - thanks
> for constructive
> contribution APA - we will I guess try to salvage
> some small amount of
> dignity in the face of the catastrophe by pursuing
> our small works
> diligently, lest, to paraphrase Kafka, the bony
> structure of our own
> foreheads prevent us from moving at all.
> 
> I would like to find out how people think the
> archives of online
> resources will or may be used. To a large degree we
> who are working to
> build these archives are just doing what we can and
> expecting and hoping
> that their content will be utilised. However it
> would interesting to
> hear how others, especially the creators of works,
> think web archives
> might be used now or in the future. 
> 
> I attended the first meeting of the International
> Internet Preservation
> Consortium Researching Requirements Working Group in
> London in September
> last and heard a lot from researchers whose interest
> is the study of the
> Internet per se. This was quite a revelation since
> their perspective was
> not one that saw content as necessarily of primary
> interest; or at least
> there were other dimensions that were just as
> important to them. That
> is, they were intersted in such things as:
> the context of the resources as much interest as the
> content; 
> the ontology of the web; 
> the sociology of the web and how it was/is used at
> any given time; 
> how the web is annotated by the bloggers and so on. 
> So much of this is not captured  in or derivable
> from the sorts of
> archives we are currently building. I found this
> fascinating but I also
> wonder if this is a bit misleading too. Is this the
> interest of a small
> number of researchers whose subject is the web? The
> reality of working
> in a library with a working online archive is that
> the requests we are
> aware of are still very much for the content (and I
> mean textual or
> visual content) and I suspect (but don't know) that
> people seeking this
> content don't care much if the font is different
> from the original or if
> the fancy Flash intro doesn't work, provided they
> can get to the text or
> image. Artistic creations are obviously going to be
> a different case,
> but I am thinking more generally and most of the
> content of the web we
> are archiving at the NLA is textual and visual
> content with a certain
> amount of multimedia.
> 
> Anyway, would be interested on people's thoughts and
> speculations about
> the use of web archives now and into the future.
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> Paul Koerbin
> Supervisor
> Digital Archiving Section
> National Library of Australia
> 
> (02) 6262 1411
> pkoerbin@nla.gov.au
> 
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